Interview #198: Lian Low | Liminal

I donโ€™t see a divide between literary and genre. Writing spec fic and horror connects me to a sense of who I am, my roots and psyche where the world of the real and the world of the unreal isnโ€™t so binary.

Lian Low

Lian Low is a writer and a former editor-in-chief of Peril. I interviewed her for Liminal, mining her insights on the queer, the monstrous, and the last thirty years of Asian Australian arts and culture.

Illustration by Viet-My Bui.

Interview #192: Sab D’Souza | Liminal

But essentially space is also land. I think thatโ€™s where I contest this differentiation between โ€˜IRL and URLโ€™ digital and physical space. They arenโ€™t separate. Thereโ€™s no third space that we occupy online. Our government dictates how we access digital spaces and connections, and infrastructures are imbued by the people who made them.

Sab D’Souza


I loved talking to artist Sab D’Souza about feelings and the internet for the Liminal Magazine x Hyphenated Biennial series. Read it here.

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Illustration by Lily Nie.

‘All clothes are handmade’: the migrant workers behind Australian fashion | The Guardian

For The Guardian, I wrote about the migrant workers behind the ‘made in Australia’ label and how their winning campaign for equal rights might be instructive for other gig economy workers today.

Stories of Vietnamese garment workers in Australia
An excerpt from Emma Do and Kim Lam’s graphic narrative, Working From Home, or may แปŸ nhร .

I talked to Emma Do and Kim Lam, the writer and illustrator of Working From Home, a graphic narrative about Vietnamese outworkers in the garment industry, and Nguyet Nguyen and Beth McPherson, veteran manufacturing workers and organisers in the textile, clothing and footwear union.

Chinese indie’s dilemma | ABC TV

Is indie music in China growing up or selling out? My story for ABC TV on Wuhan’s punk history and what it means for underground scenes to land in the spotlight.

Ft Li Ke (Wild Records/Vox Livehouse), Krish Raghav (comic artist, Chaoyang Trap House), SMZB, Shii, Hualun, Re-TROS, Bohan Phoenix, Wutiaoren, and a flash of the cringe anti-Blackness of Higher Brothers because we have to talk about that.

Screenshot of video with Jinghua standing in a laneway papered with gig posters. The headline says 'Before Covid, Wuhan was best known as the birthplace of China's punk music scene.'

I can’t apply for another grant

Jinghua Qian, ‘I can’t apply for another grant’, Un magazine 14.2 (print, audio and digital), November 2020. Edited by Elena Gomez.


My friends keep sending me grants and opportunities. I appreciate it, I really do. Itโ€™s nice to know that people are thinking of me. But I never want to apply for a grant again. I canโ€™t. My body recoils. It feels like taking my skin off for nothing.

Weโ€™ve all been talking a lot this year about the perverse relationship between art, money and survival. โ€˜Artists are in a constant state of precarity and crisis,โ€™ I wrote in July.ย โ€˜For many of us, thereโ€™s nothing to return to, nothing to recover. The status quo is already broken. Itโ€™s an empty bowl โ€” with a smear of racism, sexism and ableism to boot.โ€™

In August, I followed up with an opinion piece in The Guardian about going on the dole and navigating the sadistic and absurd mutual obligations system for welfare recipients: โ€˜It does nothing to help people find work. Itโ€™s just a complicated, expensive way of penalising people for being poor.โ€™ But as awful as Centrelink is, arts funding is somehow even worse. At least the dole is ongoing and not a lottery. Arts funding bodies, on the other hand, want you to craft a 10-page proposal to compete for a minuscule chance at a trickle of money. One template rejection I received this year said that only six per cent of applicants had been successful. Another rejection came to me five months after applications had closed. In both cases, the grants themselves were less than $5,000 โ€” not even three weeksโ€™ worth of the average weekly earnings for a full-time adult worker in Australia.1

The quick-response grants that emerged during the COVID-19 pandemic were often no better. My eyes glazed over as I scanned the same buzzwords: resilience, adaptability, relief. Each time I was left confused about whether these grants were intended to provide for my welfare or to fund new projects and activities โ€” whether they were offered as charity or investment. Each time I felt like I was handing in my CV and portfolio at the soup kitchen counter. Each time my shoulders seized, awaiting judgement, anticipating rejection. This is not relief.

For all its faults, JobSeeker is easily the most effective arts funding program in this country. Going on the dole has helped my career and my craft far more than any arts grant ever has. Knowing that the fortnightly payments will at least cover my rent is a huge relief, pulling the plug from my brimming tub of baseline anxiety. Itโ€™s also given me more intellectual and creative freedom because Iโ€™m less reliant on fitting my vision to the categories and priorities of funding bodies. I donโ€™t have to contort my work so that it speaks to diversity instead of antiracism, inclusion instead of decolonisation, identity instead of ideology, or other bureaucratic definitions that are always just slightly misaligned with my own thinking.

Thanks to JobSeeker, Iโ€™ve done some of my best work this year. In fact, Iโ€™ve been weirdly prolific, pitching and publishing more than ever. Iโ€™m much more comfortable pitching to editors than applying for grants. Media and publishing is still subject to commercial imperatives, of course, and that comes with its own set of problems and limitations, but the grant process feels particularly alienating, disheartening and disruptive. All I ever want from the arts funding bureaucracy is time to write, and JobSeeker gives me that without getting between me and my audience. I think if more people could access the dole, and the rate were higher, it would make an enormous difference to cultural life. I would rather arts organisations fight for that than for more arts funding.

Most independent artists are already working across a range of industries in order to survive, and many rely on welfare, but often arts advocacy tends to emphasise how art is exceptional. I think itโ€™s worth taking note of the peculiarities of making art, but we canโ€™t lose sight of the bigger picture. We need to organise in solidarity with workers in education, media, publishing and other cultural industries, and even beyond. Iโ€™m not convinced that itโ€™s useful or even truthful to focus narrowly on how artists are special when our needs are the same as those of all precarious workers โ€” of all people.

The pandemic has generated plenty of chatter about saving the arts, but itโ€™s also burnished the deep ambivalence many of us feel about this sector and how it operates. In the conversations Iโ€™ve had with other artists, thereโ€™s always an undercurrent of revolutionary rage. Weโ€™ve all been talking about how this year offers an opportunity to rethink this sector โ€” what if we set it on fire and started over?

Arts funding is a cancer. Applying for it has become its own job, a job no one enjoys or wants. Iโ€™m not sure that anyone is even funding the arts, really โ€” it feels more like art happens by accident as a decorative footnote to the work of endless applications, assessments, acquittals and evaluations. Iโ€™m sure some of these elements were once designed as accountability mechanisms, but they have grown monstrously out of control. Like the mutual obligation system for welfare recipients, the arts funding process is disproportionate and counterproductive. There are easier ways to give artists money.

I think a competition-based funding model is inherently destructive. I donโ€™t understand why itโ€™s accepted that in the arts, sport and entertainment industries a tiny elite should profit and everyone else should suffer in poverty for daring to try. Even under capitalism, thatโ€™s not how it works in most professions. Funding shouldnโ€™t be a prize or an honour, it should provide a living wage so people can make art without some other source of wealth or income.

Weโ€™ve all been talking about this for such a long time and Iโ€™m so tired of it. I donโ€™t want to tinker with this system, shifting the priorities and massaging the language. Iโ€™m not excited about heralding a new cohort of gatekeepers. Iโ€™m not interested in diversity and inclusion. I just want to overthrow capitalism already.

Ultimately, I donโ€™t believe in meritocracy. I donโ€™t believe in excellence. Survival is not a reward. We all deserve to have our basic needs met.

I donโ€™t understand why itโ€™s easier to get paid to administer arts funding than to make art. I donโ€™t understand most of the jobs that exist in this society โ€” they seem to bear no relation to the world that I live in or what it needs. They bear no relation to what I understand as value or a life worth living. Capitalism devalues so much work thatโ€™s important and necessary while creating jobs that just tick boxes and move money around. I think that might be the most dystopian thing in this hellscape. We live in a time when no one needs to be hungry, homeless or overworked. It should be possible for all of us to thrive. I want a radical redistribution of time and resources, a reimagining of labour and value. I want to unravel this tangle of art, money and survival so that the next time we talk about this, itโ€™s an entirely different conversation.

1. For May 2020, full-time adult average weekly earnings in Australia were $1,713.90. See: โ€˜Average Weekly Earnings, Australia,โ€™ Australian Bureau of Statistics, 15 August 2020.


Jinghua Qian is a Shanghainese writer living in Melbourne, on the land of the Kulin Nations. Ey has written on desire, resistance and diaspora for Overland, Meanjin, Sydney Morning Herald and The Guardian.